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Now That's What I'm Talkin' Bout.

by: Wulfgar

Mon Dec 07, 2009 at 15:43:03 PM MST


( - promoted by Jay Stevens)

By now, most anyone who's been paying attention has seen that the 'conservatism' wing of the Republican party is threatening primary against any Republican candidate who doesn't serve the conservative cause (read Tea Party).  The RNC has floated a list of 10 'principles', of which any candidate must support at least 8, or face the wrath of the Republican base.  A decent Montana discussion of that list is at Missoulapolis.  This strategy for ensuring party purity is quite obviously called the "litmus test".  It generally speaking works best with those who value the authority of central control, or fear its absence, and it's a small wonder why the Republican base is eating it up.

The lesson is that, for some, ideological purity, or at least the appearance of it, is very safe and desired.

Wulfgar :: Now That's What I'm Talkin' Bout.
Now, around these parts we've been getting into some fairly, or unfairly, heated bull sessions about what party purity means to and for Democrats.  Some feel that we need purity of liberalism, and claim moral authority over the word "left".  Some just feel that Democrats and Republicans are all the same, and we need a new party.  Some call for some new form of structure ... what exactly they almost never define.  Common themes are restricted corporatism, social and economic justice, and useful activism.  The common opinion is a shared distaste for current Democratic action and will.  The dark cloud that shadows almost all such discussions is the desperate urge to point fingers at the non-believers, based almost solely on whatever rock the accuser stands at the moment.  I, for one, would rather light a candle than curse the darkness.

So I've asked questions.  Very few answers are to be had.  It's not that they aren't out there, it's just that they're not often here.  So I keep my eyes open, should I find alternatives.  There are a few, and I present them here.  And just as a source of personal amusement, I notice that these links come from sites known for being PUMA favored.

First I went looking for a Democratic litmus test.  I found one at Open Left, posted by Jeff Roby, that he calls The Committee For The Full Court Press.  The planks:

o Troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq now.
o No aid to Israel until Palestinians have full rights.
o Medicaid for all.
o No compromise on abortion rights, repeal Hyde.
o Regulate Wall Street to the max, no more bailouts.
o Tax the rich to deal with the deficit.
o Create a fund to save families from foreclosures.
o Rebuild and strengthen the social safety net, no cuts in Social Security.

The rules:

The 8 points are offered as a suggestion, and would be decided upon by those initially forming the FCP based upon activist feedback.  But once approved, they would ultimately not be negotiable at the local level.

The bottom line is to have at least one FCP candidate on the primary ballot in every district.

The second thing I've looked for is an organizational call for a new party, and a method by which such an organization might make inroads into the seemingly impenetrable two party system.  How about The Justice Party, as presented by Violet Socks.  Core values:

  1. Economic Justice. Healthcare reform. Jobs creation. Wall Street clean-up. A tax system that helps the middle-class and working folks, instead of making the rich richer. Freedom from poverty. FDR's "Second Bill of Rights" (modernized and inclusive-ized).
  2. Gender Justice. ERA. Equal pay, equal opportunity, equal representation. Autonomy and choice. Ending violence against women and sexual exploitation. Eliminating gender bias. Creating a culture that respects and values women as persons. How about a "Second Bill of Rights" for women?
  3. Global Justice. An end to wars of conquest and empire. An end to oil wars and corruption. An end to exploitation of poor countries by rich.
  4. Social Justice. Equal rights and opportunities for all people. The freedom to live, love, and marry as you choose. Continuing the fight against racism and bigotry. Diversity and tolerance.
  5. Environmental Justice. A clean, healthy world for everyone. Green technology and solutions.
  6. Democratic Justice. Cleaning up government. Campaign finance reform. Fair elections. Grassroots democracy. Ballot access and fusion.

Platform:

  1. Medicare for All: Yeah, I know.
  2. Medicare for Kids: If we can't do Medicare for All, how about Medicare for everyone under 18? The Medicare risk pool would instantly be expanded to include lots of very healthy people. And it would be a great boon for parents, since they wouldn't have to pay much for their kids' health insurance (just minimal Medicare rates).
  3. Repeal Stupak-Nelson: At a minimum, we'll need to remove whatever godawful monstrosity is going to get passed by Congress.
  4. Get out of Af-Pak. Get out of Iraq. Bring our people and our money home. No more blood and treasure for endless wars with no victory or end in sight. Besides, we need that money HERE.
  5. A new WPA or other federal job creation program. Instead of sending billions to the Middle East, how about we spend some of that money right here? Create jobs, pump up the economy, maybe actually fix some stuff while we're at it.
  6. A bailout for the rest of us: I don't have a specific plan yet, but I'm sure that when the vampire squids get their year-end bonuses here in a couple of days, something will come to me.

What I find most intriguing here is the strategy of 'corrupting the corrupt from within', the inside-out process.

The third thing I have looked for, I have not found.  There appears to be some will to change the political nature of our country, to replace elements or the entirety of our Constitution.  I've looked for plans to do so, and found none on the leftward side, far too many on the right.

I present these here not to endorse or foist my opinion on either of these plans, but rather to give others the tools from which to start discussion about what really seems to be burning a hole in the discourse.

Please, yack away ...

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Party Identification (0.00 / 0)
I think party identification is more an emotional than a policy-driven phenomenon.  

The Republicans I know don't seem too engaged in the issues.  What appeals to them about Republicanism seems to be a sort of nostalgia for the good ol' days when life was simpler. They miss the days when white Christian people were absolutely dominant, when America was like a Norman Rockwell Saturday Evening Post cover.

The Democrats I know are more in touch with the issues since they tend to be more educated than Republicans.  But their party identity seems to be bound up in the romance (rather than the real accomplishments) of the American labor movement, the deification of FDR and JFK, and warm memories of their youthful rejection of the bourgeoisie (i.e., their parents).

 


Euroville (0.00 / 0)

This does sound like a Green Party platform or what in Europe they call Social Democrats (think SPD or old Labour) and sort of works in systems with multiple parties, coalitions, and without winner-take-all. I stress "sort of".

I can get behind many of these goals as a stage towards true socialism but unfortunately the European experience also shows us that the welfare state can be undermined by appeals to nationalism ( attack on Miners Union in UK ) or racism ( Swiss ban on Minarets or rise of BNP etc).

These attacks are organized by Market fundamentalist forces ( Margaret Thatcher, Reagan) which never go away unless dismantled completely and replaced by a participatory economy without private ownership or markets.

As far as a Constitutional approach, by inserting the Economic Conventions of the Universal Declaration of Human rights into the US Bill of Rights you could pave the way for a more just ( in terms of distribution) and open democracy.

In a nutshell!


Perhaps it's simpler than philosophical rhetoric (0.00 / 0)
(But first -- I guess I'm not that hip after all -- had to look up PUMA. The definition given was an attractive 20-year-old woman; a precursor to a Cougar.  I doubt that's what you meant.  Finally found it: "Party Unity, My Ass" or more nicely put "People United Means Action." Give an old guy a break and define those acronyms.)

Back to the subject at hand. Sometimes it's a just a gut check, don't you think?  When I see a Blue Dog Democrat come out against reasonable health care reform or vote against climate change legislation or support increased defense spending ... well, I have to wonder why I'd want to call myself a Democrat.  

Another example: I'm pretty familiar with the Montana Democratic Party platform and in agreement with almost all of its language.  Then, I'll see (some) Democrats in the legislature voting on bills that go against party principles.  These legislators need to be hung out to dry.  If they're not held accountable by their own party, then the party shouldn't be surprised when there's talk of forming third parties.

I read the RNC's "priniples" over at Missoulapolis and there's something to be said about party discipline.  Unfortunately for the Republicans, their principles are regressive, myopic, self-serving and based on paranoia.  But I applaud a party that's willing to "primary" a candidate who doesn't support its core values.

Of course the real change needs to be at the federal level with restricted corporatism, campaign finance reform and an end to the power of lobbyists.  Then, maybe, you can "primary" someone like our own Sen. Max Baucus and have a chance of winning.

     


The question isn't "what". (0.00 / 0)
First, sorry about not defining terms.  It should be noted that most PUMAs, once Hillary was knocked out of the primary, favored McCain.  To this very day, many of the hard-core PUMAs hate Obama, and many have thrown their support behind Palin.  Make of that what you will.

I certainly wasn't seeking philosophical rhetoric by posting this.  I was hoping for display not of the 'what' but of the 'how'.  The what is in the post itself, and I agree that there is a certain appeal to the litmus test and primary.  But Tokarski, for all his delusion, has a point in his circular reasoning.  Even candidates who run on progressive values are swallowed by the machinery of the 2-party system, and don't appear to be the people we thought they were when running.

I agree with you concerning the goals at the federal level, but how?  What would finance reform look like and how do we elect enough persons to support such?  I like, in simplest terms, public financing of elections.  But to get there from here, you have to have the corporate sponsored working against what got them in the position in the first place.

This isn't a philosophical inquiry.  It's procedural.  Any thoughts you have would be welcome to me personally.


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philosophy? (0.00 / 0)
Why not a little philosophy? By focusing on procedure you avoid the big picture stuff which is where the real contradictions lie.

"Restricted corporatism"? Since the depression this has been an ongoing project. Hows it workin out? When is doing the same thing over again and again expecting different results NOT insane?

"Power of lobbyists"? Again people, Why keep answering the same questions with the same banal procedures? Think larger.


Simply put (0.00 / 0)
I don't believe that people in this country are ready or capable of giving up the idea of private property, even selectively.  Nationalizing the banking system was right there, and we couldn't even consider it as a populace, or a polity.

If you wish to discuss Marxist philosophy, I'm more than capable and interested in doing so.  I remain especially intrigued by the idea of "species being".  But as practicum, that's not terribly helpful.

Mark T has one good point, though he doesn't even see it. The only good that comes from exclusively chasing ideals is losing and the hurt caused by that.  Republicans must win until most are at the utmost point of desperation for a national zeitgeist of socialism to take hold.  Pain must become so great that there is no other choice possible for a collective movement to foment.  I would like to think this can happen peaceably, but I've watched for years for any such awakening, and all I've seen is America throw itself more bodily from it.

Please tell me I'm wrong, and show me how.


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A bit mushy .. (0.00 / 0)
Dense-packed writing carrying little useful information. I can sum it all up for you, and you can move on: It takes special people in special circumstances for change to become reality. We're not quite there yet, and the media and propaganda are powerful tools working against us. It's daunting.

It takes idealists to lead, and practical people to follow. We are lacking idealistic leaders. The political system produces mediocrity, as we see all around us. The qualities that make a good candidate - the ability to be two-faced, and present one side to voters and another to financiers, does not make for a good leader. Naturally the people we elect quickly turn on us - they were opportunists by definition, and not idealists. Quite a bit of narcissism there too. But underlying it is the campaign finance system.

Idealists are about 5% of the population, which is oddly the amount of support Nader had in 2000 before the propaganda blitz that drove him down to 2.5%. But within this 5% you will find the dynamism that movement politics needs. Those who started the civil rights and feminist and environmental and gay rights movements were idealists. They took risks and inspired others to follow. Ghandi, MLK, David Brower, Virginia Woolf, Susan B Anthony, Rachel Carson ... leaders who inspire, and then step aside for the doers to do.

So if you really are interested in movement politics, you are going to have to make your peace with the Naderites, the idealists. Without us, you got nuthin'.  


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Maybe (0.00 / 0)
But within this 5% you will find the dynamism that movement politics needs.

Maybe, but we won't find it from you. So shut up and let the adults talk here.


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It's getting closer ... (0.00 / 1)
Is your face red? Are you drinking yet?

I just added more to the conversation than the twelve thousand words from you that preceded it. You don't even knw what an idealist is or how movements form, but you're full of advice.  


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By the way, idealists often become cynical ... (0.00 / 0)
We are disappointed that the world does not conform to expectations. To be a true cynic, you must first be an idealist.

There, now you know twice as much about idealism as you did before. Continue now with your class, oh teacher man. Oh captain my captain!


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Didn't mean to dismiss a philosophical discussion (0.00 / 0)
Wulfgar posed some interesting questions ... and I loved the PUMA planks.  Just saying that there seem to be some basic right and wrongs on economic and social justice issues, the environment, war and peace ...

I'm pretty confident on the "what," still working on the "how."  


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I think most of us are, Pete. n/t (0.00 / 0)


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Really?! (0.00 / 0)
There appears to be some will to change the political nature of our country, to replace elements or the entirety of our Constitution.  I've looked for plans to do so, and found none on the leftward side, far too many on the right.

Source?


One needn't look far, Rusty (0.00 / 0)
At Electric City Weblog, Constitutional Law professor Natelson recently suggested that we need amendments to restrain government spending, and return power to the populace.  When asked what he specifically had in mind, his response was silence.

At right wing blogs (see Our Lady Of The Concentration Camps, St. Malkin) discussion frequently turns to repeal of the 17th amendment.  At many gun blogs I have read, the wingnuts want a new amendment to clarify the 2nd as meaning that you have the right to own a M1A1 Abrams.  At my own website, I had a recent wingnut commenter who insinuated that the nation would be better with a repeal of the 14th amendment.  The website of ReclaimDemocracy has 3 well defined amendment proposals, though in fairness, the writers come from libertarian bent and the amendments they propose would actually please many on the left.

On the leftward side, there is much discussion of breaking the two party system we have, but little discussion ever of how.  Vague thoughts of a more parliamentary system, but no suggestions.  Lots of verbiage is expended about winner-take-all politics, but little discussion of how the Constitution relates to that, or what should be Constitutionally changed.

Enough?

 


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So... (0.00 / 0)
you're speaking of the amendment process described within the Constitution, right?  

You are aware of how that process works, correct?


[ Parent ]
Rusty, (0.00 / 0)
If you have a point to make, make it.  'Cause you're doing a piss poor job of anything so far.  I asked a question, and you want "sources"?  You're not even aware of how communication works, so why would I take any question from you seriously, especially since I've demonstrably proven that I know how the process works?  If you have a bug up your butt, as you perpetually do, pull it out and throw it on the page.  'Cause right now, you're not making even a lick of sense.  

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Reply to Wulfgar (0.00 / 0)
 I suppose this thread is dead but at some point the philosophical discussion should be developed. I would welcome the opportunity to explain my understanding of how "socialism" or "Marxism" have themselves been radically transformed and why the liberalism embodied on this blog is itself a destructive force, "movement", project, etc..

Just a suggestion (0.00 / 0)
Every person who registers an account here can post diaries, just as I posted this one.  If you were to bring up points of discussion in one, that likely wouldn't draw the ire of the troll who follows me.

Many times I have been tempted to comment at your blog, but the vibe I get is one of personal and personable conversation.  To be honest, I just don't want to feel like I'm intruding.  This website, on the other hand, for good or ill is much more public and conducive to response.


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That's what I'l talking about too - (0.00 / 0)

First, Rob/Mark, you guys are bickering like an old married couple, how about letting it go?

Second, I applaud the principles, hanging out the political sign "RINO's GO AWAY"

It makes me shake my head watching the GOP in Washington worry about what Olympia Snowe thinks. We should have moved her along years ago, like we do in Montana.

If the Dems were not self-destructing nationally I'd be really worried.


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