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Baucus commits to public option

by: Jay Stevens

Tue May 26, 2009 at 14:10:16 PM MDT


According to our site's completely unscientific poll of our completely biased community, a majority of you would "settle" for the Baucus health care plan - only if it includes a public option for health insurance. For me, a public option is the line in the sand. Without it, any reform is just one big sh*t sandwhich, a handout to private insurance companies and no solution to some of the biggest problems with health care. Private insurance is expensive, unreliable, and non-portable.

For me, personally, private insurance has always been a hassle. In fact, private insurance is the reason I left Montana. Both my wife and I worked a series of contract and freelance jobs in Montana - we had regular work, but found patching together insurance plans from that work both too stressful and expensive. At one time, when my employer switched contracting companies I even lost my health insurance - which even then was running me a grand a month - and had to find a new job to keep my family covered. We moved to Pennsylvania because my wife was offered a teaching job in the state university system, which comes with job security, a regular paycheck, and, most importantly, a good and affordable health insurance. And even with the insurance, there's never a guarantee our insurers will actually pay our medical bills if there's an emergency.

I would move back to Montana in a flash if there was an affordable and reliable alternative to private health insurance.

That's a long way of introducing good news to you from Matt Singer, who's on the road following Max Baucus' health care listening tour. (The schedule of events can be found at Forward Montana's website.)  The first is that single-payer advocates are being included in the tour. For one, Mary Caferro, the state house representative from Helena and single-payer advocate is participating. But more importantly, given that single-payer is off the table in Congress, is that Baucus' camp reaffirmed its commitment to a public option. And I'm sure Matt will have the details when he sits down at a computer keyboard.

So...what's going on here? A change of heart by Baucus? Or just a bone thrown to us before the actual reform is gutted of its public option? Or could the affirmation for a public option be the result of mounting pressure from single-payer advocates, backed by a plurality of Americans, who think nationalized health care is the best way to go?  For some answers on why the health care debate is the way it is, check out Bill Moyers' recent segment on the silencing of the single-payer option.

But more importantly, keep the pressure on. If you haven't written Max Baucus' office advocating for the health care you want, do so. Try to attend one of the listening sessions and let Max and his staff know what you want. If the recent affirmation for a public option is any sign, your voices are being heard...

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Ok - you got me - (0.00 / 0)

"I would move back to Montana in a flash if there was an affordable and reliable alternative to private health insurance."

I just gotta ask - what would health insurance possibly have to do with your decision about where to live?

I work for the biggest equipment rental company in the world, and I could move anywhere in the country, and still get my very excellent eye/vision/medical coverage for about $250.00 a month out of my pocket for a family of six - it has nothing to do with where I live -  



I swear, Eric (0.00 / 0)
You get dumber by the minute.  Even you point out that

The right job = affordable coverage, which is exactly why Jay and family moved.  Are you offering him your job?  Is that what you're doing?


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thanks, Wulfgar (0.00 / 0)
It's what I do, Eric, there aren't many jobs available in MT. That's why I usu. work a series of contract jobs, putting together work -- usu. remote from where I live -- to earn a living. My wife is a writer and earned a living...well...writing. I don't mind living that way, it just didn't come with good or reliable benefits. And we couldn't afford that, not with a family.

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I wanna know (0.00 / 0)
Where Coobs is getting a family of six "very excellent eye/vision/medical coverage" for about $250.000.

I call bullshit.  Either there is an employer contribution in there that's in the $6-800/month range, or he's lying.  You can not get an excellent - or even decent - health care policy for that kind of money.  


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Edit that, please (0.00 / 0)
to $250.

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that's good news jay (0.00 / 0)
but will still keep the pressure up....

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


A solid public option (0.00 / 0)
...not a watered down public option...would go a long way toward providing competition to private insurance and possibly bring health care costs down...

However, considering private insurance is NOT in the business of providing health care, but rather is in the business of DENYING coverage, and turning a profit, I will be shocked if they let Baucus and Obama get away with legislating serious competition for them....

By the way...isn't the MORE APPROPRIATE committee to be having this discussion on health care, the Health and Human Services Committee chaired by Kennedy?  And isn't that committee, in fact, in the process of setting up hearings?


Both committees are taking action (0.00 / 0)
The Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions (HELP) committee and the Finance Committee. They have some level of joint jurisdiction as HELP deals with all employer provisions and Finance deals with the government systems.

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Oh goooooood .. (0.00 / 0)
Two committees who take huge contributions from the health care industry are going to decide our fate.

Democrats ... can't live with 'em, can't kill 'em.  


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If you worked in health industry (0.00 / 0)
who would you donate to? People who sit on Judiciary?

Of course the health industries donate to people who sit on those committees. Equally unsurprisingly, politicians typically take legal donations. Campaigns are expensive as shit.


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And of course those contributions mean nothing ... (0.00 / 0)
Corporate executives are really stupid - health care people gave Max $2.4 million in the last election cycle, and they get nothing back for it!!!

Did you live on turnips before you fell off that truck?


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Impeccably rhetorical! (0.00 / 0)
"expensive as shit"

With results of similar value.

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B.S.? (0.00 / 0)

No jhwygirl, it's not BS - I just checked my last stub -

$111.77 for Blue Cross

$8.13 for Vision Service Plan

$11.17 for CIGNA Dental

That's every two weeks, myself, spouse, and more than two kids. And when I was a factory Rep, it was less than that.

I have no beef with Blue Cross/Blue Shield. Why do you think I oppose socialized medicine? We have the best medical care in the world here, and insurance is affordable if you're willing to work for it.

And Rob - Jay can't figure out how to make a living in Montana, and you call me dumb? No wonder nobody takes you seriously - LOL

 


then we're not all as lucky as you (0.00 / 0)
Eric...

And if you can't figure that out, I'm not the one who's dumb.

Your comments on health insurance are ridiculous. It's like you're living on Mars, or something.


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Coobs is just smarter than the rest of us. (0.00 / 0)
He is a neo-con, you know!

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Eric. Seriously. (0.00 / 0)
You think that your healthcare policy only costs about $150/month?  There's an employer contribution in there, and as I stated above, I'm betting it's somewhere in the $600-$800 range.  Maybe less...but it ain't peanuts.

THAT is the cost of your healthcare.

Unless, of course, you've got huge co-pays and a huge deductible - but you did say you have "excellent" coverage.

Your statement here is false.  Patently false and can be proven in statistic after statistic:

We have the best medical care in the world here, and insurance is affordable if you're willing to work for it.

Beyond the fact that the U.S. does NOT have the best medical care in the world, the idea that insurance is affordable if you are willing to work for it is bull.

Not all jobs offer healthcare.  Some that do have such high deductables and copays that it amounts to nothing more than catastrophic care.  

When it comes down to it, Eric - your healthcare, "excellent" as it may be, costs what it costs because still, in America, people can walk into the emergency room and obtain care (for the most part), and that health care provide has to make up his costs one way or the other.  

It's called passing the buck. To everyone that has healthcare insurance.  That's the reality of what is happening.

Shall I go on to the benefits of preventative care?  The value in adequate prenatal care?  Vaccinations, etc.?


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anyone who likes his insurance like you eric... (0.00 / 0)
must have had no reason to use it for anything big, cause if you did, you would soon find out the dark side of that business.

eric your misplaced trust in health insurance matches the loyalty you have to the republican party. most of you are more than willing to lick the boots of the wealthy health insurance corporations and the thieving government fraud artist that shills for them in their ads...

i have more sense and i definitely have more pride than to carry water for those aristorepublicants you so admire...

i just wish i could get all you right wing nuts on a sales cold call spread sheet. you must be the biggest suckers in the world...  

United we stand, divided we fall.

power to the polite people!


You guys are baiting me - (0.00 / 0)

"i just wish i could get all you right wing nuts on a sales cold call spread sheet. you must be the biggest suckers in the world..."

Ok - wolverine6 - the fact that I have excellent health coverage, that I'm happy with, at a reasonable price, because I earn it, makes me a sucker?

Please elaborate -  


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Baiting you? (0.00 / 0)
You don't need any baiting to say stupid things.

You may only pay $130/biweekly for your insurance plan. I know people who pay less. Some who even get their insurance free. Or so they say.

What is taken out of your paycheck is not how much your plan costs. It is how much your employer doesn't pay. And that which you don't pay (but your employer does--and you don't see as wages) is an un-taxed benefit (read government subsidy) that those who don't get employer-provided insurance don't get to enjoy.

So you get to keep your private plan Coobs. Enjoy that you can. Nobody is taking that away from you.

But not every American can get employer-provided health insurance (unless you are willing to accept an employer mandate--are you?). And if you want to continue to believe that health insurance is a merit-based bonus, then you are going to wake up someday to the realization that those who don't get tax breaks on their private health insurance purchases, and those who have to pay face-value health care costs (because they've been denied private insurance) are sick and tired of subsidizing your inexpensive health insurance policy.

Because it is you who are the recipient of socialized medicine. I subsidize your cheap insurance by paying taxes and by paying face-value, out-of-pocket. The largest inequitable tax-break in America right now is for your form of health care coverage.

Actually, it sounds like your (or employees in similar situations) insurance has probably been won through union bargaining. Do you think unions should be allowed to be strengthened so as to help other employees who aren't getting employer-provided health insurance?

Or are you just another one of those "I got mine, to the hell with the rest of you" sorts?

Just asking. No bait needed. Just cold, hard reality.

In fact, it is stories like yours that make the case for a strong public option, and elimination of the employer-provided health insurance tax break/subsidy.

So answer me this question: what gives you the right to enjoy an tax benefit/subsidy that is not extended to the rest of the population? A benefit that is a "uniquely American" form of socialized health insurance?


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Fools! (0.00 / 0)
Baucus is not committed to a public option. But if he told you that, you would openly oppose him and organize. He wants to keep you close to him, and disorganized.

It's called "politics".

And after all these years, you'd think you would have learned something, as in the second rule of politics: Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. It works even better than that - you guys don't even know who your enemy is.

Organization against Baucus is our only hope. Start here:

http://singlepayeraction.org/


You think ol' Mini's gonna....... (0.00 / 0)
move that football one more time on us, a la Lucy and Charlie Brown?!  Well of COURSE he is.  I wish to hell there was a Dem or Indy or Geeny out there who would jump in the race right NOW based solely on single payer!  I think that he/she would win, and win big!  It's time.  I wonder if Mini's insurance covers a terrible accident such as getting one's tit stuck in a wringer?  It better!

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Commitment? (0.00 / 0)
I read through all of Max's wordage referrenced above, and couldn't find any "commitment."

What I did read is the following:

Struckman paraphrasing Baucus:

fairly certain that health care reform with a public insurance option was very likely to be signed into law this year.

Fairly certain. Very likely. Not what I would call a commitment.

Universal?

Mr. Baucus said estimates suggest a health care reform plan would cove 94 to 96 percent of all people in the United States, including those that have existing coverage. He said his bill will not include coverage of illegal immigrants because it's too "politically explosive."

Are the 4-6% who are un-universally covered just illegal immigrants? Or do they include indigent American citizens? People with tax offsets? Prisoners? Homeless and mentally ill? Disabled?

And who is going to pay for health care at the ER for this unsavory class of people? All of the rest of us? Of course. Just tack on the costs for those that fall through the cracks as an externality.

Public option?

"I do support a version" of a public option, he said, adding that's it's a "hot-button" issue."

Uh huh. "Support." Not commit. "A version." Which version? The most watered down one tht everybody says is no different that a government run private plan? One that doesn't compete in the marketplace any better than any private plan? One that has no power to lower costs through price controls? In other words, a public option that really has no use, so then why pick it?

All I  hear is a bunch more mealy-mouthed Baucusonian gibberish.  


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This is "battered spouse syndrome" ... (0.00 / 0)
read more about it here:

http://pieceofmind.wordpress.c...


I think that Baucus' (0.00 / 0)
preferred private insurance industry option is the real battered spouse syndrome. Force those of us who have been abused by the private industry into a mandate to continue that relationship. And if we don't, then we will be punished by the government.

imagine the government declaring that it was going to impose a mandate that all people must get married. And only married to people of the opposite sex, and of a certain race. And if you are in a relationship that is abusive, you can't leave it. And if you don't get married, or you try to leave your relationship, then you'll get hit with a government-imposed sanction and fine.

A private-only solution is no better than the government mandating one stay in an abusive relationship--and one you have to actually pay money for, at that.


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This is why ... (0.00 / 0)
It is important to get out of the Democratic Party and to organize.  

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This is Montana (0.00 / 0)
We don't register party affiliation here.  So one can't get "in" or "out" of the Democratic party.

I'm now waiting, Mark.  You keep talking 'organize' like it's a panacea for your ills.  Fine.  The first step of organization is an agreed principle.  Okay, we have that ... Democrats suck.  Now we need an organizational plan.

What is yours, Mark?


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Goof grief ... (0.00 / 0)
Who was it said

Democrats can't see any way out of the repeated elect-Democrats-and-be-disappointed-by-Democrats syndrome. No matter how much abuse they endure from elected Democrats, they always go back for more.

Oh yeah - it was me. There is no shortage of groups out there working the cause - no shortage. The problem is that people like you, Matt and Jay - and that is most Democrats, can't break free of the party, and so don't show up.

For me, I'm with singlepayer.org, but Public Citizen is involved, as are CA Nurses, and Physicians for National Health Care.

If you weren't so damned busy playing your clever mind games with Max, you know, your creative negotiation strategy, you might be useful .


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Being a memebr or a participant in party politics in no way precludes membership (0.00 / 0)
in any of the organizations you mention.

In fact, my hunch is that a large majority of the members of those organizations would self-describe as Democrats.

Wulfgar is of course correct that MT doesn't require party affiliation to register to vote.

However, people can and do join the Democratic Party (national) by purchasing a member ship with the DNC

They can also join the State Party by purchasing a membership. They can also join their county party.

Most Democrats in Montana are self described Democrats, which of course is just as valid as self describing as a Green, as Peace and Freedom, or Repo.

i am mad at our party leaders who made the conscious decision to cut single payer advocates out of the national debate. Yet I'm well aware that at the very least the  plurality of people who favor a single payer solution are self described Democrats.


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